Warning – Reader’s discretion advised.
Ever since I agreed to debate Jalal Abualrub he has gone into a rampage of personal attacks, which I take it to mean that he is scared and is now trying to intimidate me by his bullying tactics. He thinks that this will somehow discourage me from debating him. Unfortunately for him this will not work but will only backfire against him. I warn the readers that what I am about to say will be harsh since I am only adopting the language that Jalal uses in articles (1, 2) in order to show what happens when someone applies his stupidity and assaults on the Holy Bible to his false scripture and his false prophet.
{Note: A couple of days after Abualrub saw this present response which was sent to him via email before publishing it online, those particular articles disappeared from his site, but no apology was issued.}
The Bible says that it is necessary at times to answer a fool according to his own stupidity in order to expose him for the fool that he is:
"Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes." Proverbs 26:5
Abualrub is such a fool whose stupidity needs to be addressed and whose vicious arguments need to be silenced once and for all.
‘Perverted’ is not sufficient enough to describe Jalal’s god, who is actually Lucifer in disguise. Jalal attacks the Word of the true God, Jesus Christ, Muhammad’s Master and Judge, in order to defend the marriage of his false prophet Muhammad to a minor, namely Aisha. This man has absolutely no shame in defending the indefensible.
He accuses me of lying regarding the Bible setting the starting age of marriage at puberty simply because I based this on a parable where Yahweh describes his covenant relationship with Israel as a man who falls in love and marries a maiden who has attained womanhood (*).
After citing the text from Ezekiel 16 Jalal says:
Therefore, Yahweh, the Christian God, married a prostitute, according to this despicable parable. Or did he just take her as a lover when she reached the age of love? This is how Shamoun derives Christian law: from a forged book called the Bible and a shameful chapter in it full of sexual dishonor committed by God’s wife. Where does this story say anything about marriage age? In Shamoun’s dreams maybe!
I understand that because Jalal reads the Quran, an incoherent piece of mumbo jumbo and boasts that an illiterate is his master, he is incapable of seeing how this parable describes the view of the people at the time. After all, most of the Biblical parables are drawn from the experiences of the people of that period. The text is therefore speaking in terms that the people could relate to, e.g. a marriage between a man and a woman. Yahweh is saying that even though he cared for Israel as a man cares for a young girl and entered into covenant relations with his people much like a husband does with his wife, Israel proved faithless and turned away from God to worship false gods. Yahweh describes this apostasy as an act of adultery, of prostitution.
In fact, the Bible calls those who love the world adulterers:
"You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." James 4:4
What this parable basically indicates is that the people at that time took for granted that the starting age for marriage is puberty, something which troubles Jalal since his fake messenger went against this cultural norm and allowed his men to violate minors and call this marriage.
Interestingly, some of Jalal's own Salafi scholars put forth the formation or growth of pubic hairs as a physical sign that a maiden has attained puberty, which happens to completely agree with the parable of Ezekiel 16!
A woman is deemed to have reached puberty when one of four things happens:
1 – When she reaches the age of fifteen.
2 – When her pubic hair grows, which is hair around the private parts.
3 – When she emits maniy (fluid released at climax).
4 – When she starts to menstruate.
(Question No. 21246, She did not know the signs of puberty so she did not fast in Ramadaan, out of ignorance; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
These poor Salafi Muslims must have been reading Ezekiel 16, a parable which Jalal brushes aside as being irrelevant in establishing the starting age of marriage in the case of girls.
Like I said, I don’t blame Jalal that he is too blind to understand the spiritual application behind this parable since his prophet was also only able to see things in a purely carnal sense, i.e. Allah can’t have a son without having sex, paradise is a whore house which Allah created for Muslim perverts like Jalal.
What makes this all the more shocking is that instead of being ashamed of trying to pass of Muhammad’s book as God’s word, with all of its filthy, disgusting descriptions of whores in paradise, he actually is duped into thinking that he can use it to attack the Holy Bible. Since Jalal has a difficult time with such Biblical descriptions then he surely must be troubled by what his false prophet taught:
Wherein both will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them… Houris (beautiful, fair females) restrained in pavilions; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? Whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them. S. 55:56, 72-74 Hilali-Khan
Surely for the godfearing awaits a place of security, gardens and vineyards and maidens WITH SWELLING BREASTS, like of age, and a cup overflowing. S. 78:31-34 Arberry
Thus, the Quran speaks of heavenly creatures who have swelling breasts and who shall be physically penetrated, or deflowered, by both men and jinn!
Lest this child of Lucifer deny that the Quran describes Allah’s abode as a whore house we will cite some of Islam’s premier scholars to refute him:
<And vineyards, and Kawa'ib Atrab,> meaning, wide-eyed maidens WITH FULLY DEVELOPED BREASTS. Ibn 'Abbas, Mujahid and others have said, …
<Kawa'ib> "This means ROUND BREASTS. They meant by this THAT THE BREASTS OF THESE GIRLS WILL BE FULLY ROUNDED AND NOT SAGGING, because they will be virgins, equal in age…" (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), (Surat At-Tagabun to the end of the Qur'an), First Edition: September 2000, Volume 10, pp. 333-334; source; bold and capital emphasis ours)
Interestingly, there is one Sunni Muslim writer that quotes certain Muslim authorities who admit that the Quran's language here is quite erotic and that this particular reference even causes persons to get aroused. In response to the unfairness of men having up to 70 wives whereas women will only have one husband in paradise, Shaykh G.F. Haddad states:
We do not know with certainty that there will be such a restriction on women even if the reverse would hardly be mentionable to a decent woman. A woman in the traditional world would and does consider it a horrible thing to say to her that "You can have all the men you want"! The Qur'an would never use inappropriate language. However, the Qur'an does mention that for the inhabitants of Paradise - male and female - {There wait on them immortal youths} (56:17), {There serve them youths of everlasting youth, whom, when you see them, you would take for scattered pearls} (76:19). If this does not make a believing woman happy then, as Imam al-Shafi`i said to the one WHO IS NOT MOVED BY EROTIC POETRY, "You have no feelings." As for the believing men, as one of the Awliya said, some of them will need GHUSL just FOR HEARING THE VERSE {Same-age young-bosomed girls} (78:33). As for us hard-hearted analphabets we may read it and read it without effect. (Haddad, Sex with slaves and women's rights; source; capital and underline emphasis ours)
Ghusl refers, in this specific context, to the ritual bathing of the body that a Muslim must perform after sexual intercourse or because of a seminal discharge. What the author is essentially saying is that Surah 78:33 can cause a person to be aroused to such an extent that he ends up having an emission!
Another famous commentator, ar-Razi, stated in his Tafsir (Volume 8, p. 311) that:
"The kawa`ib are the buxom girls (nawahid) whose breasts have become FULL (taka``abat) and ROUND (tafallakat)." (bold and capital emphasis ours)
This accounts for why the following translations all read breasts in Q. 78:33:
And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age; Hilali-Khan
maidens with pears-shaped breasts who are of equal age (to their spouses) Muhammad Sarwar
and girls with swelling breasts of the same age as themselves, Palmer
And damsels with swelling breasts, their peers in age, Rodwell
and [damsels] with swelling breasts, of equal age [with themselves], Sale
Ibn Kathir said of Q. 55:56 that:
<Qasirat At-Tarf> chaste females, wives restraining their glances, desiring none except their husbands, seeing them as the most beautiful men in Paradise. This was said by Ibn `Abbas, Qatadah, `Ata' Al-Khurasani and Ibn Zayd. It was reported that one of these wives will say to her husband, "By Allah! I neither see anything in Paradise more handsome than you nor more beloved to me than you. So praise be to Allah Who made you for me and made me for you.'' Allah said, …
<whom never deflowered a human before nor Jinn>
meaning they are delightful virgins of comparable age who never had sexual intercourse with anyone, whether from mankind or Jinns, before their husbands. This is also a proof that the believers among the Jinns will enter Paradise. Artat bin Al-Mundhir said, "Damrah bin Habib was asked if the Jinns will enter Paradise and he said, `Yes, and they will get married. The Jinns will have Jinn women and the humans will have female humans.’" Allah's statement, …
<whom never deflowered a human before nor Jinn. Then which of the blessings of your Lord will you both deny>
Then Allah describes these women for the proposed…
<they are like Yaqut and Marjan.>
Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Ibn Zayd and others said, "They are as pure as rubies and white as Marjan." So here they described Marjan as pearls… (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), (Surat Al-Jathiyah to the end of Surat Al-Munafiqun), First Edition: September 2000, Volume 9, pp. 400-401; source)
He also wrote the following regarding Q. 56:35-37:
Abu Dawud At-Tayalisi recorded that Anas said that the Messenger of Allah said…
<In Paradise, the believer will be given such and such strength for women.>
Anas said, "I asked, 'O Allah's Messenger! Will one be able to do that? He said,
((He will be given the strength OF A HUNDRED (MEN).))
At-Tirmidhi also recorded it and said, "Sahih Gharib." Abu Al-Qasim At-Tabarani recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah was asked, "O Allah's Messenger! Will we have sexual intercourse with our wives in Paradise?" He said…
((The man will be able to have sexual intercourse WITH A HUNDRED VIRGINS IN ONE DAY.))
Al-Hafiz Abu 'Abdullah Al-Maqisi said, "In my view, the Hadith meets the criteria of the Sahih, and Allah knows best." (Ibid., pp. 429-430; source; bold and capital emphasis ours)
The two Jalals noted in reference to Q. 56:36 that,
and made them virgins, immaculate - every time their spouses enter them they find them virgins, nor is there any pain [of defloration] - (Tafsir al-Jalalayn; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
And regarding Q. 36:55 they say:
Indeed today the inhabitants of Paradise are busy (read fi shughlin or fi shughulin), [oblivious] to what the inhabitants of the Fire are suffering, [busy] delighting in pleasures such as deflowering virgins - not busy with anything wearisome, as there is no toil in Paradise - rejoicing, blissful (fakihuna is a second predicate of inna, the first being fi shugulin, 'busy'); (Tafsir al-Jalalayn; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
And here is what the hadith compiler Ibn Majah stated about the sexual organs of the men and the maidens of paradise:
4337. Abu 'Umama (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Allah will not admit anyone in the Paradise but Allah, the Mighty and Glorious, will marry him with seventy two wives: two will be from virgins (haurine) with big eyes and seventy will be his inheritance from the people of the Hell-Fire (1). Everyone of them will have A PLEASANT VAGINA and HE (the man) WILL HAVE A SEXUAL ORGAN THAT DOES NOT BEND DOWN (during sexual intercourse)."
Hisham b. Khalid says, "The words 'out of his inheritance (due) from the denizens of the Fire', many men who will enter the Fire and the inmates of the Paradise will inherit their wives just as Faraoh's[sic] wife will be inherited (by the believer)."
According to al-Zawa'id, its isnad has some controversy. Al-'Ajali has declared Khalid b. Yazid b. Abi Malik reliable while Imam Ahmad, Ibn Mu'in, Abu Dawud, Nasa'i, Ibn Jarud Sahi, 'Uqail etc., have declare[sic] Ahmad b. Salih al-Misri da'if. (Sunan Ibn-I-Majah (Imam Abu Abdullah Muhammad b. Yazid Ibn-I-Maja Al-Qazwini), English version by Muhammad Tufail Ansari [Kazi Publications, Lahore (Pakistan), 1st edition 1995], Chapter NO. XXXIX, "The Description of the Paradise", Volume V, p. 546; capital and underline emphasis ours)
Jalal foolishly asks me the following,
How did Shamoun know that Aishah was not ready for marriage?
I know it because your scholars who were writing a time when they didn’t have to lie through their teeth like you do since they had the upperhand told me:
‘A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)
Notice that Aisha is still playing with dolls when Muhammad marries her. The Muslim scholars state that the reason why Aisha was permitted to do so was because she was a minor who hadn’t attained puberty!
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, NOT YET REACHED THE AGE OF PUBERTY.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151)
Jalal must have forgotten that he himself cited this very quote in one of the works that he translated to demonstrate that the reason why Aisha played with dolls is because she was prepubescent:
[1] ... In their transliteration [sic] on, Sahih al-Bukhari, Shaikhs Hilali and Muhsin Khan said that playing with dolls and similar images is forbidden, but was allowed for 'Aishah because at that time, she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty (Fat'h-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13).] (Ibn Qayyim al-Jauziyyah, Zad-ul Ma'ad fi Hadyi Khairi-l 'Ibad [Provisions for the Hereafter Taken From the Guidance of Allah's Best Worshipper], translated by Jalal Abualrub, edited by Alaa Mencke & Shaheed M. Ali [Madinah Publishers & Distributors, Orlando Florida; First Edition, December 2000], Volume 1, p. 237)
And here is what Jalal’s own scholars say concerning this issue:
Al-Haafiz goes on to say:[43: Fath al-Baaree 10/400, Baab (91), related to Hadeeth no.5954, 5955.]
Abu Daawood and An-Nasaa'ee have narrated with another chain (wajh aakhar) from 'Aa'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said:" The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) returned from the battle of Tabook or Khaibar...".
Here he mentioned the Hadeeth about his (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) tearing down the curtain which she (may Allah be pleased with her) attached to her door. She (may Allah be pleased with her) said:" Then the side of the curtain which was over the dolls of 'Aa'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) was uncovered. He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: What is this, O 'Aa'isha? She said: My dolls. She then said: then he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) saw amongst them a winged horse which was tied up. He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: What is this? I said: A horse. He said: A horse with two wings? I said: Didn't you hear that Sulaiman (Solomon - peace be upon him) had horses with wings? Then he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) laughed"[44].
Al-Khattaabee said: From this Hadeeth it is understood that playing with dolls (al-banaat) is not like the amusement from other images (suwar) concerning which the threat (wa'eed) of punishment is mentioned. The only reason why permission in this was given to 'Aa'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) is because SHE HAD NOT, AT THAT TIME, REACHED THE AGE OF PUBERTY.
[al-Haafiz says:] I say: To say with certainty, [that she was not yet at the age of puberty] is questionable, though it might possibly be so. This, because 'Aa'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) was a fourteen year old girl at the time of the Battle of Khaibar - either exactly fourteen years old, or having just passed her fourteenth year [and entering into the fifteenth year], or approaching it (the fourteenth year).
As for her age at the time of the Battle of Tabook - she had by then definitely reached the age of puberty. Therefore, THE STRONGEST VIEW is that of those who said: "It was in Khaibar" [i.e. WHEN SHE WAS NOT YET AT THE AGE OF PUBERTY], and made reconciliation (jam') [between the apparent contradictory rulings, of permissibility of dolls, in particular, and the prohibition of images, in general] with what al-Khattaabee said (above).[al-Khattabee said that images are prohibited, except in the case of dolls for young girls]. This, because to reconcile (make jam') is better than to assume the ahaadith to be in contradiction (at-ta'aarud). Here Shaykh Bin Baaz concludes his quotation from al-Haafiz, saying: The above is the essence of the words of al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar. (The Beneficial Response Concerning the Islamic Ruling of Pictures/Images, by Shaykh Abdul-Azeez Ibn Abdullah Ibn Baaz, rendered in English by Abu Muhammad Abdur-Ra'uf Shakir; source; bold, capital and underline emphasis ours)
Jalal also feels no shame that the Quran allows Muslims to marry young girls that haven’t menstruated yet:
And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair. S. 65:4 Shakir
The waiting period for divorced women who haven’t even menstruated is three months. This means that these women aren’t even women (they haven’t attained womanhood) but are in fact young minors who haven’t reached puberty!
Now a woman can only be divorced if she is married and had her marriage consummated, since the Quran expressly teaches that there is no waiting period for marriages that have not been consummated:
O you who believe: When you marry believing women and then divorce them before you have touched them, no period of idda (waiting) have you to count in respect of them: so give them a present and set them free in a graceful manner. S. 33:49
This shows that the waiting period only applies in the case of a prepubescent when her husband has actually slept with her. So it is clear that this injunction assumes that young girls can be married, divorced and remarried before they reach puberty.
Even more, the purpose of this waiting period is to ensure that the wife who is about to be divorced is not pregnant or, if she is, to make sure that the true father is known, i.e. that the child is from the current husband, and not a next husband that she may marry afterwards. Thus, this further proves that the Muslim men who are married to prepubescent girls have sexual intercourse with them. To put it simply, the Quran is allowing men to have sex with minors.
And just in case Jalal squirms his way from admitting that this is what his book teaches here is how some of Islam’s greatest expositors interpreted Q. 65:4:
(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: "O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?" (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: "what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?" (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well. (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
And:
And [as for] those of your women who (read alla'i or alla'i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months - both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
The renowned Muslim exegete Abu-Ala’ Maududi, in his six volume commentary on the Quran, confirms this by stating the following:
*13 They may not have menstruated as yet either because of young age, or delayed menstrual discharge as it happens in the case of some women, or because of no discharge at all throughout life which, though rare, may also be the case. In any case, the waiting-period of such a woman is the same as of the woman, who has stopped menstruation, that is three months from the time divorce was pronounced.
Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Qur'an the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur'an has held as permissible. (Maududi, volume 5, p. 620, note 13; sources 1; 2; bold emphasis added)
Interestingly, al-Bukhari cited Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha as an example of a married prepubescent per Q. 65:4:
XXXIX. A man giving his young children in marriage
By the words of Allah, "that also applies to those who have not yet menstruated" (65:4) and He made the 'idda of a girl before puberty three months.
4840. It is related from ‘A’isha that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, married her when she was six years old and consummated it when she was nine, and she was his wife for nine years. (Aisha Bewley, The Sahih Collection of Al-Bukhari, Chapter 70. Book of Marriage; source)
This provides additional corroboration that Muhammad married his child bride before she reached maidenhood. Thus, according to the Holy Bible Muhammad stands condemned for marrying a minor and for allowing others to sleep with prepubescent girls.
In light of this why does this filthy [to use the language of the Quran, i.e. najis - cf. Q. 9:28] child of Lucifer [cf. John 8:44] not feel ashamed of trying to defend what his false prophet did to a young, innocent girl? Why does he feel no shame that Satan’s favorite prophet Muhammad [we base this on the fact that Muhammad’s religion is the most anti-Christian religion out there due its attacking virtually every essential Christian doctrine, i.e. the Fatherhood of God, the Divine Sonship of Christ, the crucifixion and resurrection etc. (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:12-19; 2 Corinthians 11:2-4, 13-15; 1 John 22:22-23)] put a command in the Quran which allows men to marry minors? Why does he defend a person who says his god is a better liar than Satan (*) and who destroyed the lives of women whom he married and then left them to remain as childless widows till the day they died? It must be because the same spirit of Lucifer who deceived Muhammad is also controlling Jalal [cf. 1 John 4:1-14]. Since Allah is none other than Lucifer and since Muhammad says he was Allah’s beloved then this means that Lucifer must have loved Muhammad and Jalal, which explains why Jalal has no shame to slander and lie.
God forbid people get duped into buying Muhammad’s lies that paradise is a whorehouse. Even though Jalal has been duped into thinking that it is you don’t have to.
P.S.: It is amazing that Jalal is using the name Lucifer to describe the one
who spoke to Muhammad, namely Satan, since this is neither the Biblical name nor the term
which the Quran uses for Jalal’s father. Jalal is getting this from an English translation
of the so-called corrupted Bible, specifically the King James Version (cf. Isaiah 14:12)!
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